Permed Bet Calculator

Permed bet calculator: perm Yankees, Patents, Trixies and Lucky 15s from up to 8 selections. Counts every bet, the total cost and the return for any result.

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A permed bet calculator saves you from the worst bit of a perm, which is working out how many bets you’ve actually placed. Perm five horses into Yankees and you’ve got five separate Yankees, 55 bets, so 10p a line costs £5.50. The free calculator above counts the lines, shows the full cost and settles the lot for any mix of winners, each way included.

Permed bet calculator: what a perm is

To perm is to take more selections than the bet needs and play every group of the right size. A Yankee needs four picks, so five picks permed into Yankees gives every four-horse group from the five, and there are five of those. Six picks give 15 Yankees and 165 bets. The calculator handles perms of Trixies, Patents, Yankees and Lucky 15s from up to eight selections; pick one in the Bet type list under ‘Permed bets’.

Perm Groups Bets Cost at 10p
Trixie from 4 4 Trixies 16 £1.60
Patent from 4 4 Patents 28 £2.80
Yankee from 5 5 Yankees 55 £5.50
Yankee from 6 15 Yankees 165 £16.50
Lucky 15 from 5 5 Lucky 15s 75 £7.50
Yankee from 8 70 Yankees 770 £77.00

Each way doubles every figure in the table.

A perm Yankee against a Canadian

Both take five picks, so people often ask which is better. Take the prices loaded above, 2/1, 5/2, 3/1, 7/4 and 4/1, at 10p a line. The Canadian is 26 bets for £2.60. The perm Yankee is 55 bets for £5.50, because every double turns up in three of the Yankees, every treble in two and each four-fold in one, and there’s no five-fold at all.

  • Two winners (2/1 and 5/2): the Canadian returns £1.05, the perm Yankee £3.15. Both lose money.
  • Three winners: £7.85 against £19.35. The perm is back in profit, the Canadian isn’t.
  • Four winners: £32.33 against £59.64.
  • All five: £200.57 against £216.08. The Canadian’s five-fold almost closes the gap, for less than half the stake.

So the perm leans on the smaller bets. It gets you more back from a middling day, and you pay for that with double the outlay. Neither is better as such. It depends on whether you expect three winners or are dreaming of five.

Settling a perm by hand

You can, but it’s slow. Every group is settled as its own full-cover bet, then the returns are added up. A non-runner is void in every group it’s in, so the doubles and trebles it was part of carry on as if it had never been there, and Rule 4 and dead heats come off each line separately. The CasinoCalcs settler does it in one go and lists every line under ‘How every bet pays’, so you can check a bookie’s figure line by line. For a single full-cover bet, the Yankee calculator and Patent calculator are quicker, and the system bet calculator covers ‘every double from six’ style bets.

Big perms put a lot of money down in small pieces. Add up the total before you place it. BeGambleAware.org is free and confidential if it stops being fun.

Frequently asked questions

What is a permed Yankee?

Every group of four from more than four selections, each played as its own Yankee. Five selections give 5 Yankees (55 bets), six give 15 Yankees (165 bets).

How much does a perm cost?

Number of groups × bets in each × stake. A perm Yankee from 6 at 10p is 15 × 11 × 10p = £16.50, or £33 each way.

Is a perm Yankee better than a Canadian?

Neither is better. On five picks the perm Yankee is 55 bets against 26, so it costs about twice as much and pays more with three or four winners, while the Canadian has a five-fold.

How is a non-runner settled in a perm?

As void in every group it's in. Each Yankee in the perm then carries on with the remaining selections.

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